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... Messing with the classics! ;)

Ever wondered how *Smells like Teen Spirit* would sound if world were but cheer and roses?!!! :rose::star:

Well, here's a solid repertoire of inverted music, and it sounds pretty hyper!

:holly: :iconhypnosisplz:…  :iconhypnosisplz: :holly:

Facebook page:… Like it? Love it! ;)

..... Personally I think Beethoven's 5th sounds just as awesome in MAJOR key!!! :rofl:

:star:… (very optimistic! :w00t:)

:iconpissedoffbeethoven::iconsaysplz:To hell with it!!!! ... But, oddly, it IS likeable ... :nod: Happy songs from now on! :headbang:

:iconmozartplz::iconsaysplz:And be sure to check out the Pink Panther, YMCA and Macarena!

... :giggle:… PURE WIN!

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:iconjosephhaydnplz::iconburningheartplz::iconmichaelhaydnplz::iconsaysplz:... WELCOME! ;)

... Saturated FOOD for THOUGHTS ...

Always something new here ... We edit as we hop along!


:bulletpink: NOT for the faint of heart: Scepticism and Revisionism: Taboga & Luchesi controversy:… (feel free to ask questions regarding!) It may help clear up or discover a few things, probably shave off of *arranger* Joseph's opus extra 400 works too. Not to speak of the rest of the musical world ... Here's Haydn & Pleyel case, insight into copyright-pre-copyright:… See *New Grove Haydn* 2002 onwards for attributions, spurious or ''with his approval'' works, etc.:… ... Chill, this goes for many a composer - good to know! This group truly accepts ALL music(-related stuff)!

... With THIS hot topic taken care of ~ put on your wig and let's dig the gig! ;)

:bulletgreen: *In Search of Haydn* -…
(you'll need to install IP-changing program to watch if outside USA.)

:bulletgreen: Also BBC:…

:bulletgreen: 3SAT (in German language):…

:bulletgreen: Kids these days ... FAN! - documentary:…

:bulletgreen: ... PUPPET OPERAS! - ''Haydns Nacht'' can be bought at: *… or *…

:star: MUSEUMS and HOUSES: HaydnHaus Wien:… * HaydnHaus Eisenstadt: * Mike Haydn Society: * Mike Haydn Salzburg Museum:…

:bulletgreen: FORUMS, SOCIETIES: Haydnesque Forum:… * JH Great Britain: * North America www.haydnsocietyofnorthamerica… * Handel & Haydn Society: * Mike H: * 2009 Haydn BLOG:

:star: BooKs, INFO pages:

:bulletgreen: MICHAEL Haydn's SCORES, enter keywords at your convenience:…

:bulletgreen: A well of wisdom, history and knowledge: selection of Haydn's LETTERS (Eng.):… &… (82!!!)

:bulletgreen: Kenneth Woods Blog:… :heart:

:bulletgreen: Bits about the quartets:…

:bulletgreen: Haydn Database:…

:bulletgreen: Fine ''HAYDN STUDIES'' (& so on, just click the book covers, via Google books):… or *Search inside* ... & ''Haydn SYMPHONIES'', spurious or otherwise, by Landon:… (neat case-file! See also: Haydn: Chronicle and Works. If you find it.) Haydn & Classical Variation:…

:bulletgreen: Heaps of FREE books, scores and whatnot from……

:bulletgreen: Complete Jo Haydn bookography from OpenLibrary:…
and Mike Haydn:

:bulletgreen: Downloadable PDF: Joseph Haydn und sein Bruder Michael: zwei Bio-bibliographische Künstler-Skizzen:…

:bulletgreen: Downloadable PDF: Joseph Haydn's English Diary (1794-95):…

:bulletgreen: LISTS of compositions: MIKE:… JO:…

:bulletgreen: JO short BIO's:… &… &… MIKE's on Mozart forum:…

:star: Pretty close, albeit un-pockmarked likeness: Anton Grassi, cca 1799.

:star: SCORES and musical ARTICLES:

:bulletgreen: Article: Haydn-the-Yurodivy:…

:bulletgreen: Article: Haydn & Canon:…

:bulletgreen: Article: Haydn & Opera:…

:bulletgreen: Score: Canons from around the world:… (various composers, Hayd.& Moz.) JO's Canons (in handwriting):… list of:…

:bulletgreen: Mike H. Collection (small, *sob*):,…

:bulletgreen: Jo H. Collection (extensive, yay!):,… & list:…

:star: MUSIC:

:bulletgreen: Michael: (27 symphonies, Divertimento's, Serenade, 3X Masses, 2 Requiems, 4 concerts & misc.):…

:bulletgreen: Joseph (1165 files, so dig in!):…
He was NOT the ''father of symphony'' - Sammartini and others were:… Haydn learned/copied from them (as even the great CPE had considerable doubts into his own abilities - whether or not his works will reach the standard set for his listeners by GBS.)


:bulletpink: Fun ;) and eerie :fuzzydemon: ANECDOTES:

;) Jo Haydn and Wolf Mozart had TWIN pianos.

;) Bursting a bubble: the way I heard it growing up:…

;) Somehow, Jo got credited with 240 + symphonies. Of which he ''only'' wrote about 106.

;) Michael Haydn DETESTED plagiarism; as a young boy he founded society which detected nicking of themes, melodies & music by other composers - he demanded Original Creativity = a trademark throughout his life. The ONE article that explores possibility of Haydn recanting, is:…
~ And, when push comes to shove =P I found J. A. Hasse's Requiem from 1763, second 1 minute long bit. Short, but essentially the same - Michael's Req-in-C sequence. Gotcha!

:fuzzydemon: TWO in one go - pardon - grave: Maria Anna (Marianne, Nannerl) Mozart and Mike Haydn share the SAME *six-feet-under*:… which may imply they were musical colleagues and equals. Due to a fellow who wanted to study the ''musical bump'' on Jo's head, mausoleum now holds TWO skulls: his & ''fake''…. Curiously, Mike too got parted with his head; deeply grieving widow asked for permission to nick & clean it: she then kept her husband's skull right at her side - on the night stand (it was put in the urn on top of the monument erected in his memory - now it's under lock and key in a safe), while his :heart: heart is kept separately in a shrine in St. Peter's Churchyard Cemetery in Salzburg. He was much loved and, despite ''excessive wine (and beer and ...) episodes and a musical style that was never far from a tavern or a dance hall'' (really, a waltz in a mass?!! - COOL!) - RESPECTED (so that's why his bits are scattered all over the place! Must be a good luck charm.)

:bulletpink: Did-You-Know's:

- That around 1780, newly written Church edict demanded that the church music should be from then on composed in entirely simple manner (no fugues, no huge orchestra, ah, life of a Kapellmeister had to suck big time ... *snores*)

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:bulletblue: Nicely formed, witty and elegant. ... Rollin'& chillin'!!! Group is broadly based, thanks for stopping by!:wave:

:iconmusicnotesplz::iconchampagneplz:... Now that we got your attention :D

- a cheerful group of cosy proportions, dedicated to bubbly brothers

:empllama:JOSEPH and MICHAEL -- HAYDN:emplllama:

HAYD'N ... seek by DarkSaxeBleu ... The OTHER ... Haydn by DarkSaxeBleu

... :rose: (who do not only ''share'' in the *AWESOME* - but EACH ADDS EXTRA to it!)

... With heaps of other pickled Curiosities! :jarkinajar: (Feel FREE to suggest them!)

:iconrainbow-pplz::iconrainbow-aplz::iconrainbow-rplz::iconrainbow-tplz::iconrainbow-yplz: .. :iconrainbow-oplz::iconrainbow-nplz::iconrainbow-exclamation:

While tipsy Michael, admired & frequently copied :squee: by Mozart,

retained his dignity & cool with awesome FUGUES and major SACRAL works,

frisky Joseph, true to the Form, Logic and Balance -

wrote jolly gorgeous! concertos for *HURDY-GURDY* =P

and Operas for Prince Nikolaus' *PUPPET* theatre.

* ... Cricket sound ... * :lol: :bulletgreen:… :iconkermityayplz:
(... Here's a hint: if it sounds ridiculous:icontrollfaceplz:- it probably is;

Jo's frequently using irony; making ACID jokes and poking fun out of his audience; after all,

writing music-to-order can be rather depressing, especially in a mosquito ridden swamp

combined with shortage of desirable women. Oh, the tragedy. :nuu:)


While Mikey was pretty much dignified, stuck in his own demanding stylish branch,

after all - he had to live up to the ultra-prominent position of Konzertmeister (etc.) in Salzburg -

mostly autodidactic Jo had a bit of a bug up his aR$€ during the creative period

and looked everywhere (chiefly in himself) for new expressions in music -

seriously: stuck in a bog, :hexentanz: bored out of his mind :snowing: - was bound to invent Classicism. :music:

Q: What about Sammartini?!!
A: ... OK - it was a joined effort ;)


Even the tougher amongst us succumb to their Charm and good will.

Albeit - most cheerful people are sometimes the saddest ... :rose:


:headbang: :iconboo-plz: *Perpetually serene* Mike sends goosebumps & chills and makes blood curdle :flame:

with REQUIEM in C (y. 1771): :rose:…
and all power to him for writing GREAT :#1: string quintets and various other wooing compositions

including fun but nasty :poo: little canon… =P - which only shows that

despite reaching for the heights, we are still most earthly beings -
:iconiheartitplz: Jo's down-to-earth Wisdom rivals every first class philosopher: :rose:…

''Wein, Bad und Liebe soll dem Leben schädlich
sein; doch wird das Leben frisch durch Liebe, Bad und Wein.''

(* Wine, bath and love should be harmful to life;
but life becomes fresh by love, bath and wine - YES! *)
''... Depict Divinity through love and goodness'' :iconspreadmoreloveplz::iconstudmuffinplz:

- From ecstatic Joy to Tears -
- In a Twinkle of a phrase! -- Haydn brothers :heart: heartfelt MAGIC. - BRILLIANT! :love: Peace.


:bulletred: RULES:

1.) Close to zero censorship - with strong exceptions as followed:

1.1) respect the admins and members;

harsh language & bad manners shall not be tolerated.


NOTE #1: FOLDERS. Regarding style and era - one can't put music into shoe boxes
- always too great a mix; of traditions, of influences ...
However, there has to be some kind of order =P so that we find artworks we're looking for!

NOTE #2: :fuzzydemon: The more the better: if you wish to Join the Admin League,
let your intentions be known to us - so that we can thoroughly scrutinize ;) them first!



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belianis Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Professional Traditional Artist
What is your take on Prince Nicolaus the Magnificent?
He obviously admired FJH, but he was a demanding boss. One funny story about the Farewell Symphony says that the reason why H chose to present his request for his men to return to their homes in a musical way was that Prince E was so polite and dignified that he made people who complained to him feel like boorish jerks.
DarkSaxeBleu Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Ahaha! OK, no matter how many times one hears the story - one thing's for sure: Haydn was bold - and clever! And you can't deny that throughout history - music has been used to send messages, to make people think - but also to make us smile and laugh (just as much as to, to whomever applicable - cry in agony and angst.)

Now, about the prince:

when Nikolaus took over and popped it into his head that the swamp residence would be the next Perfect Thing for him and royal visitors - with which he could impress a certain Empress and gain next firm foothold into Croatian Banovina and whatnot political goals (Nick was VERY ambitious, hence maybe the use of Croat folk tunes in Haydn's music and travels to Dubrovnik or wherever) - the estate was a little more than a (41 rooms huge) hunting lodge.

Before *The Great Move* they lived somewhere sensible and near Vienna, Eisenstadt and whatnot - Nikolaus now also invested heavily into renovation and expansion and other (for some reason Chinese or Japanese) luxury - including building from scratch a relatively fine swamp opera house clad in oxen blood (no idea why) - and if you go through the costumes and musicians expenses and so on - it will become increasingly clear to you that

this elaborate little plaything costed money. HEAPS of money.

So, trying to think where best grab the cash, Nick even took the lengths of ensuring Nick's own legal rights of copy over Haydn's compositions. And, since Esterháza ordered music from all over and Haydn dutifully *arranged* it, those rights are muddy at best, since heaps of Haydn's works - we now know and hear - were written by other composers (this phenomenon does usually not go in the reverse, that any other composer would think of massively stealing Haydn's work or works of others. Also, Haydn has been dragged to court by Pleyel - who lost and, in boorish revenge streak - added, Ha-ha!, Haydn's quartet in a set of his own, so there. :picknose:)

Now. To make program interesting, Haydn was the chap, apparently he complained little (but always justifiably), had a way with the staff (in more ways than one) and was just generally managing to keep things in check (apart from a minor injury, one's plucked eye caused by a quick and heavy fist of the other.) But anyway. Order, discipline and care - Haydn and some other guy took it to the Prince that the right way to Empress [stomach = lurve] was the combination of music, food and fun. Present yourself as an artistic, rich and amusing ally. Go get her, boy!

When Maria Theresa said that ''if she wanted to hear a good opera'' she hops off to Esterháza - everybody seem to think that this means Haydn's own operas. It does not. Under Haydn's production 1200 operas were produced (even Salieri's) in 15 years

(80 operas per year, 7 operas per month = 1 every 5.6 days -

oh come on, he had to have help and to be able to compose anything - at this jobbing rate - is near fiction.)

So here's the rub: Maria Theresa meant ANY slightly private operatic production, NOT just Haydn's operas -

money spent ( = Nikolaus) + food & games (socialising) + :cd: music (Haydn's Orchestra)

the Enlightened Empress sure enjoyed herself immensely!

Now, you have to give it to, as per Joseph II's observation, *humble and warm* Nick, it was a good plan. But he was taken a bit for a fool - and those political alliances did not come to fruition, which might have later also added the fuel to the rebellion of Hungarian nobility against Joseph II and so on ...

But these political things as well as scepticism ~ you'll NEVER hear in official Haydn biography.
:shakefish: As for Haydn's relationship with authority: while Nikolaus brought Esterháza to the knees with his debt and spending, as well as pensions of aged musicians and a medical plan for the village, not to mention he single-handedly rebuilt Haydn's house in Eisenstadt when it burned down thus ensuring Haydn's loyalty (or paying him off, maybe Haydn knew something, LoL) - the next in succession, The Nick II, naturally had to tighten the budget - which meant cuttings everywhere and plenty short temper to go around. As soon as he became celebrated Doctor of Music and pretty much got all (masonic) industry behind him - mostly due to the plans Nikolaus No. 1 had for him and his estate - Haydn stood up to next patriarch of Esterháza who, on one incident, yelled at him and treated him as an idiot slave - and the odd thing is that - the prince

ended up the one being embarrassed
and never yelled at Haydn again.

So, Haydn a boorish jerk? :finger:
In this intricate tapestry of intrigues ~ he managed the humour all right :hooray: and thank goodness Prince Charming had ears for his people ...
randallstuartpeik Featured By Owner Dec 30, 2014
Thank you for requesting my work for your gallery.  Glad it has found a place where it is appreciated.  
MauroC42 Featured By Owner Dec 17, 2014
Wow - my thanks for requesting practically all my composers' portraits! Freue mich darauf!
DarkSaxeBleu Featured By Owner Dec 27, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:D You're welcome! :holly: Gerne wieder, feel free to add those I missed ;) all musicians are welcome!
LiGiK Featured By Owner Nov 22, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
thanks for the request!! i really appreciate it! :D
belianis Featured By Owner Sep 15, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
How tall were FJH and JMH? I understand that they were so undernourished during their youthful years that they grew up to be rather smallish men.
DarkSaxeBleu Featured By Owner Edited Sep 16, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Well, Jo was around 165-168 cm tall (5.5 feet or so) ~ he was of the more wiry, starving kind and is usually described as a cute pocket-sort-of-a-man ;) but which was none the less good enough for the army! When Joseph was first with his cousin - he too starved him and has beaten him with a stick on his back, thighs and arms - so much so, that he many times broke it in half on then 6 year old Joseph. Might explain where Joseph's mischievous spirit (as well as some amount of aggressiveness) got born ...

His übertalented brother Michael, however, after about 4 years of training ~ pretty much became a St. Stephan's Kapelle substitute organist at ripe young age of 11 - for which he was paid not exactly luxuriously, but it helped: this could suggest that he, from time to time, was able to afford himself a little treat ~ thereby gaining some extension in the waist and height area.

They were both, like other boys, beaten raw and starved (and probably worse) by Reutter Jr.: :rose:… (who, btw, was apparently the first person to use the tuba (trombone) in *Tuba mirum*) Reutter's actions are semi-understandable ~ since he was a stingy bastard and his own son was singing in the Kapelle ~ and from whom, provided he too sang the soprano, both Haydn brothers ''stole'' most of the beautiful solos (sometimes Michael even got rewarded) ...

Both brothers earned a little extra by singing or playing on fanciful events, mostly, biographers say, because of the food (and wine) they were provided with - which sustained the players throughout the evening.

Once he got into service, Joseph was OK: he even had a clause in the contract about how many bottles of wine his employer must yearly provide for him!

While we have Joseph's death mask: :la:… and even cranial facial reconstruction 

~ there are many portraits of Michael Haydn about - but, in my opinion, none of those matter: 

THIS is Michael Haydn:


Like his brother he had pronounced roundy cheeks, like his brother he had protruding nose and slouched eyebrows. Michael's jaw line is different, stronger and edgy, and forehead is higher set, he also might have had slight deformity of left side of the lips area. Portrait is of a hunched, tired and sad man ~ whose eyes still show lively interest in everything around him! ... And he has his best wig on! (We know Michael had many wigs, not just the one frequently seen on his portraits. When practising with a choir or orchestra, he hung it on a nail which can still be found in one of Salzburg churches!) When in service to Colloredo, he also kept his privilege from Schrattenbach era ~ namely to eat at the officer's table (free meal at court). As he grew older, he urged his pupils to take over his duties (time for the young to prove themselves) and his own accolades of Konzertmeister etc. got, via current non-Colloredian count, increasingly stripped from him ~ meaning so did his pay check. From an excruciatingly talented boy grew a Kapellmeister ~ who then finished his career as a mere organist which is what his tombstone says. ... From this and many other indignations and misfortunes (and probably liver failure :beer: =P ) - I think he died of a broken heart.
HMissXX Featured By Owner Aug 23, 2014
Τhanks so much! ):rose: 
DarkSaxeBleu Featured By Owner Aug 26, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
:star: You're welcome! Pixel Rose 
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